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May 28 2015
Guest: Dr. Lillian Glass and Carl K

Today on the show Tricia is joined by Dr. Lillian Glass, a renowned body language expert, to discuss the well publisized case of Josh Dugger who has admitted to molesting his own sisters.

Listen in as they review the disturbing details of the case and some of the hypocrisy that surrounds the affiliated parties.

We are also joined by Carl K, a well known contributor of websleuths, whose portrait artistry helped identify Tammy Jo Alexander. Carl is a moderator and his work with the missing persons forum is invaluable to our community.

05-28-2015 07:45:53
David Bailey

hello

05-28-2015 07:45:58
sfkid

Hi. I thought there would be hundreds of people here.

05-28-2015 07:46:23
David Bailey

more than us anyway

05-28-2015 07:46:32
sfkid

Yeah.
I am not that into Dr. Glass, but the

05-28-2015 07:47:12
David Bailey

hey sula

05-28-2015 07:47:13
sfkid

Duggers are of interest

05-28-2015 07:47:17
Sulamith

Hola!

05-28-2015 07:47:33
sfkid

Hi Sula

05-28-2015 07:47:55
Sulamith

Hi sfkid and David!

05-28-2015 07:48:44
sfkid

I read there might be a spinoff of the Duggars
with those girls that got married and their creepy husbands.

05-28-2015 07:49:23
Sulamith

I hope not. I am kind of surprised TLC has not cancelled the show.

05-28-2015 07:49:46
sfkid

Its depressing.
I haven’t watched their show in a number of years.
Those shows are so vapid.

05-28-2015 07:50:51
Sulamith

I never did watch the show, only clips on YouTube. I always thought they were baby hoarders but it looks like I was in the minority.

05-28-2015 07:51:47
sfkid

baby hoarders? what do you mean?

05-28-2015 07:52:44
Sulamith

Collect babies like people collect things they buy from home shopping. Maybe I used the wrong word.

05-28-2015 07:53:15
sfkid

well, yeah the baby thing really bothered me.

05-28-2015 07:53:26
Tricia

Hi everyone

05-28-2015 07:53:28
sfkid

Hi Tricia

05-28-2015 07:53:38
Sulamith

Hi Tricia

05-28-2015 07:54:12
David Bailey

Hello

05-28-2015 07:54:40
Tricia

Hey sulamith. Chat room is slow sometimes. Lots of variables.

05-28-2015 07:55:25
David Bailey

No, I was putting my dishes away 😉

05-28-2015 07:55:31
sfkid

I gotta go put the trash out. brb.

05-28-2015 07:56:40
David Bailey

oh lol misundertstood you tricia
hi Suzy
Hi Jane
Hi Wendiesan
Hi Shana

05-28-2015 07:58:33
wendiesan

Hi everyone.

05-28-2015 07:58:43
shana

Hi Dave, Hello Everyone!

05-28-2015 07:59:36
wendiesan

This Josh Duggar situation is really disturbing.

05-28-2015 07:59:47
shana

It certainly IS!

05-28-2015 08:01:05
wendiesan

The state trooper who Josh confessed to is saying that he was told there was only one incident so he didn’t report it.

05-28-2015 08:01:23
David Bailey

I am one that never had too much of an issue with the family situation. Now my opinion is how irresponsibleof the parents to keep feeding him more children/victims

05-28-2015 08:01:59
shana

http://www.usatoday.com/story/life/people/2015/05/28/jim-bob-duggar-state-trooper-josh-duggar-fondling-sex-abuse/28058841/

05-28-2015 08:02:23
Sulamith

Pedo trooper should have reported it.

05-28-2015 08:02:38
wendiesan

However, that trooper, Joseph Jutchens, is currently serving a 56 year term for child pornography so maybe not to reliable a source.
http://www.intouchweekly.com/posts/duggar-breaking-news-disgraced-cop-who-didn-t-report-molestation-shoots-down-jim-bob-s-story-59235

05-28-2015 08:03:01
shana

Absolutely, Sulamith (or as Jill would say, "Totally!" 😉

05-28-2015 08:04:05
Sulamith

I would not be surprised if Huckabee covered something up regarding the lawsuit

05-28-2015 08:04:20
shana

Nor would I be.

05-28-2015 08:04:37
sfkid

They are all creeps

05-28-2015 08:04:49
shana

Ayep!
And Josh’s "apology" is all about him, not a word for the victims.

05-28-2015 08:05:56
David Bailey

Does anybody have audio?

05-28-2015 08:05:57
sfkid

well, he isn’t all that bright, imo.

05-28-2015 08:06:06
Sulamith

I have audio

05-28-2015 08:06:11
shana

Agree.

05-28-2015 08:06:15
sfkid

I do now, yes

05-28-2015 08:06:28
shana

I have audio…news.

05-28-2015 08:06:54
David Bailey

thanks

05-28-2015 08:06:56
sfkid

tricia is welcoming Dr Glass

05-28-2015 08:07:00
David Bailey

got it

05-28-2015 08:07:04
wendiesan

Having so many children, IMO, means that the "parents" are actually shifting the responsibility for child rearing onto the older children. They don’t have the time and the energy to give all eleven or fifteen or twenty little people the care and protection they deserve.

05-28-2015 08:07:58
shana

Tricia just started on my audio.

05-28-2015 08:08:29
wendiesan

Does Dr. Glass feel that Josh Duggar’s own children are in any danger? I mean, his "therapy" consisted of helping someone build a house.

05-28-2015 08:08:51
David Bailey

fwd’d

05-28-2015 08:10:36
sfkid

Huckabee is in with the Family Research Council, thats why.

05-28-2015 08:10:55
Sulamith

Huckabee also pardoned a criminal because criminal became born again and then went on to…Murder? cannot remember

05-28-2015 08:11:56
sfkid

Huckabee is as bad as the Duggars are.

05-28-2015 08:12:06
wendiesan

Yeah. That whole forgiveness thing–just how would being forced to forgive their brother affect the two sisters, I wonder.
Josh Duggar also sued DHS for daring to investigate his molestation of his sisters. http://www.google.ca/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=Josh+Duggar+sued+DHS&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&gfe_rd=cr&ei=Ya5nVcb1OeWV8Qed3oDoDg

05-28-2015 08:13:37
sfkid

Oh my!

05-28-2015 08:14:33
shana

Worse yet, the girls were likely made to feel responsible for his criminal acts.

05-28-2015 08:14:39
sfkid

Its too bad Oprah didn’t blow this thing wide open shen they had the opportunity

05-28-2015 08:14:42
shana

"Defrauding"

05-28-2015 08:15:43
Sulamith

I wonder if any of the Duggar girls were molested/raped by Bill Gothard

05-28-2015 08:16:06
shana

4 sisters and many Commenters think JoyAnna was a victim, age 4-5 at the time.

05-28-2015 08:16:09
wendiesan

I think this is part of the Duggar cult’s devaluing of girls.

05-28-2015 08:16:52
shana

Yes, agree…females are supposed to "stay sweet" – cook, clean, and breed – no education, etc.

05-28-2015 08:17:25
sfkid

Oh, and the Hobby Lobby. Christian Counseling and Homeschool Program Embraced By Duggars Funded By Hobby Lobby

05-28-2015 08:17:40
shana

1 of the 5 was supposedly a babysitter (non-family).

05-28-2015 08:17:57
wendiesan

Hey Sulamith. In 2000, Gov. Mike Huckabee granted clemency to to Maurice Clemens.

05-28-2015 08:18:18
Sulamith

Thanks wendiesan.

05-28-2015 08:19:03
DeDee

MS gov pardoned Annette Hentz for anyone familiar with Jessica Chambers case.

05-28-2015 08:19:13
David Bailey

Any questions for Tricia and Dr. Glass??

05-28-2015 08:19:18
DeDee

We should do away with Pardons

05-28-2015 08:19:23
shana

Hi DeDee…tyvm

05-28-2015 08:19:30
David Bailey

Hi Dedee

05-28-2015 08:19:48
shana

And thanks, wendiesan too!

05-28-2015 08:19:51
DeDee

Greetings to all! I adore Lillian Glass.

05-28-2015 08:20:13
wendiesan

Clemens had received a 35 yr. sentence for armed robbery and theft. In May 2000 the sentence was commuted and he was released three months later. In March of the following year, he committed two armed robberies and received a 10 year sentence.

05-28-2015 08:20:52
shana

Hulu pulled the Duggars from its lineup too.

05-28-2015 08:22:18
sfkid

YES!!! What has Jim Bob been doing1

05-28-2015 08:22:26
shana

Jim Bob runs the area.

05-28-2015 08:22:35
DeDee

Good for them. Maybe the Duggars will learn what the real world is about.

05-28-2015 08:23:07
wendiesan

Does Dr. Glass see any relation between the number of children in a family and the quality of child rearing those children receive. In other words, if children are required to be unpaid maids and nannies, are their own needs met? Does the shift in child rearing from biological parent to sibling result in confusion for the children?

05-28-2015 08:23:19
shana

Duggars lied and covered it up…they need to be canceled like yesterday.

05-28-2015 08:23:24
DeDee

I watched a cpl of seasons but they kept having more kids which I personally thought was ridiculous.

05-28-2015 08:23:29
shana

(the parents)

05-28-2015 08:23:56
wendiesan

I was appalled that TLC kept that marathon running even as the news was breaking. And it took them a long time to suspend the series.

05-28-2015 08:23:57
shana

Breeding like rabbits…what population explosion? Grrrrr

05-28-2015 08:24:28
wendiesan

The health risks are enormous. IMO.

05-28-2015 08:24:33
DeDee

This woman’s womb should be worn out by now.

05-28-2015 08:24:45
wendiesan

So hypocritical.

05-28-2015 08:24:48
shana

Jubilee died in utero…and look at Josie!

05-28-2015 08:25:58
wendiesan

My bet is that this is only the tip of the iceberg. That whole Family Research Council is a sham.

05-28-2015 08:26:39
shana

ITA, wendiesan. Plus, do you think Josh resigned THAT fast? I think FRC demanded his resignation.

05-28-2015 08:26:47
wendiesan

And what about the women in this cult who have fertility problems? Are they considered to be cursed by God? Are they shunned?

05-28-2015 08:26:49
DeDee

What affect will the show’s cancellation do to those children who know nothing without a film crew being along?

05-28-2015 08:27:37
Sulamith

FLDS woman voice.

05-28-2015 08:27:42
sfkid

Oh yes! The voice!

05-28-2015 08:27:50
shana

Even having a C-section is looked-down upon among them.

05-28-2015 08:28:00
DeDee

🙂

05-28-2015 08:28:15
sfkid

Mystery Woman in the JBR case had a voice like that. A baby voice.

05-28-2015 08:28:42
DeDee

Mystery Woman?

05-28-2015 08:29:06
sfkid

Nancy Krebs.

05-28-2015 08:29:09
shana

Blanket training.

05-28-2015 08:29:56
DeDee

Interesting. I never heard NK’s speak.

05-28-2015 08:30:08
wendiesan

Hi Shana. The FRC is first and foremost political in nature. Tony Perkins and his minions would have that resignation pronto.

05-28-2015 08:30:17
shana

Mame had those audio interviews up on the net.
wendiesan, ITA
ty, Dr Glass!

05-28-2015 08:32:50
wendiesan

C-sections looked down on? Not too surprised this is a "pain is a sacrifice to God" thing. C-sections saved my daughter and my grandson’s lives. But, unless some women have them, they will never believe that anyone else could really need medical intervention.

05-28-2015 08:33:15
DeDee

Are the interviews on youtube? I’ve read transccripts.

05-28-2015 08:33:38
shana

Jill supposedly labored for 70 hrs b4 relenting to a C-section. She put her unborn at great risk.
Baby Israel was transverse breech.
Ignorance abounds in the Duggar Family, willful ignorance.

05-28-2015 08:35:00
sfkid

They were radio interviews, DeDee. A guy named TopCat di them along with Mame (Mary Suma)

05-28-2015 08:35:10
DeDee

70 hours of labor should be quite unhealthy. How does one survive that?

05-28-2015 08:35:17
Sulamith

Jill is an idiot. Certainly she did not have a legit midwife?

05-28-2015 08:35:40
shana

Apparently NOT. They don’t do legal in the D Family.

05-28-2015 08:35:56
Sulamith

Good one shana!

05-28-2015 08:36:06
shana

ty ;->

05-28-2015 08:36:07
wendiesan

No kidding shana. Poor little baby. Sorry, but right now I really think the Duggars are following some ancient fertility cult that reveres pregnancy, but are a whole lot looser on the quality of life that the product of that pregnancy–the child–receives.
Excellent shana.

05-28-2015 08:37:10
shana

Welcome, CarlK!

05-28-2015 08:37:19
DeDee

TY sfkid, for the info.

05-28-2015 08:37:57
sfkid

You are welcome. You might try Google, DeDee.

05-28-2015 08:38:58
DeDee

Sure will. Pardon my ignorance but how many children do they have now?

05-28-2015 08:39:15
shana

19

05-28-2015 08:39:32
wendiesan

Hi DeDee. My daughter was in labour for nearly 60 hours because the hospital shift changes meant her file got mixed up. When her OB/GYN got back the C-section was ordered STAT. Exhausting for both mom and baby. Very dangerous though.

05-28-2015 08:40:18
DeDee

Oh, Lawdy. Does anyone think they would have had so many [19] if not on TV?

05-28-2015 08:40:37
sfkid

ACandyRose might have them, DeDee

05-28-2015 08:40:45
shana

More babies = more TLC money
sfkid, good idea…ACR sure might!

05-28-2015 08:41:05
DeDee

I’m friends with Barb [CandyRose]. I’ll ask her.

05-28-2015 08:41:15
sfkid

k

05-28-2015 08:41:48
DeDee

How old is Jill?

05-28-2015 08:41:57
shana

24?

05-28-2015 08:42:15
wendiesan

Duggars are expecting their 20th child.

05-28-2015 08:42:31
DeDee

My head is spinning.

05-28-2015 08:42:42
wendiesan

Rumours that TLC is going to make a spin-off of the Duggars show.

05-28-2015 08:43:20
shana

Jessa is expecting already and Anna (Josh’s wife) is expecting their 4th, a girl.

05-28-2015 08:43:25
David Bailey

Josh: "Mom, I need another one"

05-28-2015 08:45:12
wendiesan

LOL. Michelle Duggar was doing a robocall encouraging voters to support legislation that would allow gays and transgendered people to be fired because they are "child predators."

05-28-2015 08:45:45
sfkid

despicable people, imo.

05-28-2015 08:45:55
Sulamith

Go Carl K! I admire him for his work! http://www.bbc.com/future/story/20140501-meet-the-bedroom-detectives

05-28-2015 08:46:00
shana

Right, wendiesan! Imagine getting a call from THAT voice. She said transgendered ppl were a danger in public restrooms for females.

05-28-2015 08:46:32
Sulamith

I sure admire Carl K. http://www.bbc.com/future/story/20140501-meet-the-bedroom-detectives

05-28-2015 08:46:47
shana

Thank you so much, Sulamith!

05-28-2015 08:47:11
wendiesan

Isn’t there some psychological condition about over compensating? If you have to keep producing children to prove you’re straight, doesn’t that imply that you might be a little, oh, not straight?

05-28-2015 08:47:28
Sulamith

Sorry for double post, wonky internet.

05-28-2015 08:47:36
wendiesan

Thx Sulamith.

05-28-2015 08:48:13
shana

Wow, I did not know that about CarlK…WTG!
Kathy Michele Bowman…spelling?

05-28-2015 08:52:14
David Bailey

any questions for Carl?

05-28-2015 08:52:41
shana

Not a question, just a comment…THANK YOU, CarlK!

05-28-2015 08:53:39
Sulamith

Yes, Thank you CarlK!

05-28-2015 08:54:16
wendiesan

Amazing dedication and unselfish use of his talents to help others.

05-28-2015 08:54:22
DeDee

Aundria Michelle Bowman

05-28-2015 08:54:36
shana

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gimm8db_Fv8

05-28-2015 08:55:38
wendiesan

Thx

05-28-2015 08:55:58
shana

ty, DeDee!

05-28-2015 08:58:27
wendiesan

Carl K was on the January 29/15 edition of True Crime Radio

05-28-2015 08:58:52
shana

ty, wendiesan! I definitely need to read-up on this case.

05-28-2015 08:59:31
DeDee

Me, too. It’s sounds so sad.

05-28-2015 08:59:51
wendiesan

Great conversation. Thx Dave.

05-28-2015 09:00:15
David Bailey

Thanks all I will have the archives up within the hour

05-28-2015 09:00:24
shana

Fantastic show tonight…thank you so much!!!

05-28-2015 09:00:30
sfkid

wow that sounds interesting

05-28-2015 09:00:54
shana

Thank you Dave, as always!

05-28-2015 09:00:54
sfkid

bye all

05-28-2015 09:01:08
shana

Byeeeee!

05-28-2015 09:01:34
DeDee

Thanks, David. ‘nite all!

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