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April 9 2015
Guest: Tony Ortega

Tony Ortega, Author of β€œThe Unbreakable Miss Lovely: How the Church of Scientology tried to destroy Paulette Cooper”

04-09-2015 07:34:10
joyofpathology

greetings & salutations!

04-09-2015 07:34:27
David Bailey

Hi Joy

04-09-2015 07:35:03
joyofpathology

Been an interesting week in crime case…..:)

04-09-2015 07:35:33
David Bailey

Thats what they tell me πŸ˜‰

04-09-2015 07:36:09
joyofpathology

πŸ™‚

04-09-2015 07:38:26
David Bailey

Hi SFK

04-09-2015 07:38:59
sfKID

Hiya all (all two of you)
I totally forgot about this last week.

04-09-2015 07:39:28
joyofpathology

hi Kid~~~ πŸ˜‰

04-09-2015 07:39:42
sfKID

hiya
how are things in the dead tissue world?

04-09-2015 07:40:21
joyofpathology

I was so upset that I missed the Munchausen discussion! >:(

04-09-2015 07:40:49
sfKID

oh yes, that was good, the munchausen.

04-09-2015 07:40:59
joyofpathology

LOL…been wicked busy, some very bad boy & girls running around this week!

04-09-2015 07:41:26
sfKID

are you in Massachusetts?

04-09-2015 07:42:17
joyofpathology

my DH went to the Lacey Spears (salt "mom") sentencing yesteday!..I SO wanted to go too! nope, now in Ct but WAS from Mass!

04-09-2015 07:42:42
sfKID

ah, okay. I was close.

04-09-2015 07:43:44
joyofpathology

LOL! IF you EVER heard me speak…..You’d know for sure that MASS was paht of my Haht!

04-09-2015 07:44:43
sfKID

I had a roommate once from Mass
her accent wasn’t so thick though.

04-09-2015 07:46:23
joyofpathology

:S- totally depends which part….me, born in South Boston & moved only 10 miles away to the burbs with ;rents & grands!

04-09-2015 07:46:26
sfKID

my grandfather was from Maine, he moved away when he was 17 but still had the Maine accent
My roommate grew up in Andover mostly and then she went to school in Boston proper, and then moved west.

04-09-2015 07:48:43
joyofpathology

πŸ™‚ some "stuff" REALLY sticks!….My undergrand was near Andover, Med School was BUFFALO…"culture shock"! :S-

04-09-2015 07:49:16
sfKID

I’ll bet.

04-09-2015 07:50:12
David Bailey

REVOKE SCIENTOLOGY’S TAX EXEMPT STATUS https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/revoke-scientologys-tax-exempt-status

04-09-2015 07:50:35
sfKID

I watched the Getting Clear program but I am not sure I have any questions.
I think we should revoke everyone’s tax exempt statues and start over.
not statues, status.
David, do we know how many people actually are tuned into the iHeart show?

04-09-2015 07:52:34
joyofpathology

I agree given the rampant $$$$$ running around in the exempt community!

04-09-2015 07:52:42
David Bailey

Unfortunately iheart does not provide those stats

04-09-2015 07:52:53
sfKID

Exactly!!!

04-09-2015 07:52:58
David Bailey

brb

04-09-2015 07:53:37
joyofpathology

and….the abuses and "loop-holes" present!

04-09-2015 07:53:46
sfKID

yup
its like a cottage industry
that doesn’t necessarily add a lot necessarily

04-09-2015 07:55:12
joyofpathology

oh yeah….you can’t walk down certain streets in some communities without observing MANY storefront churches!

04-09-2015 07:55:19
sfKID

Hi Peggy Breen
Oh, I know!!!

04-09-2015 07:55:45
Peggy Breen

Hi sfKID! Hello everyone

04-09-2015 07:55:47
sfKID

Its like everyone has their own church.

04-09-2015 07:55:56
joyofpathology

hi Peggy!

04-09-2015 07:56:11
sfKID

The Kardashians have their own church which is part of why they have become so wealthy
They were all out in their Easter finery for photos at their own church. They own it!

04-09-2015 07:57:03
joyofpathology

REALLY?????? OMG, didn’t know THAT…just thought they did questionable movies, interviews, etc

04-09-2015 07:57:27
sfKID

well, they do all sorts of questionable activities, I think.’

04-09-2015 07:57:38
Steely Dan

Hi kids

04-09-2015 07:57:40
joyofpathology

Hi Steely!!!!! EMU doing good today?

04-09-2015 07:57:44
sfKID

hiya

04-09-2015 07:58:16
joyofpathology

<——-joypath, aka!

04-09-2015 07:58:38
Steely Dan

Yep all running around having fun.

04-09-2015 07:59:23
joyofpathology

but want YOU to be feeling EVEN better!

04-09-2015 07:59:57
Steely Dan

Let me know when you get sound please

04-09-2015 08:01:13
joyofpathology

waiting…… :S-

04-09-2015 08:01:33
sfKID

now

04-09-2015 08:01:35
joyofpathology

got the news!

04-09-2015 08:01:48
sfKID

its the news.
joypath have you followed the Justina case at all?

04-09-2015 08:02:41
David Bailey

Hi Peggy, Hi Steely

04-09-2015 08:02:41
Steely Dan

Should it be?

04-09-2015 08:02:52
joyofpathology

yes Steely

04-09-2015 08:02:56
sfKID

Yes, it should be the news.

04-09-2015 08:03:02
Steely Dan

πŸ™‚

04-09-2015 08:03:26
joyofpathology

oye vey, that situation is a nightmare of issues, sf!

04-09-2015 08:03:51
sfKID

yes.
I tend to think there is some munchausen stuff going on with it

04-09-2015 08:04:33
Steely Dan

When will the show start

04-09-2015 08:04:45
David Bailey

just a couple of minutes

04-09-2015 08:04:45
sfKID

About one minute

04-09-2015 08:04:47
joyofpathology

but…I will say: BCH did NOT kidnap…and yes, I agree

04-09-2015 08:05:17
sfKID

Oh, I know BCH is not at fault, in any way.

04-09-2015 08:06:26
Steely Dan

I’m hearing about oklahoma lawmakers

04-09-2015 08:06:27
joyofpathology

some serious MD shopping going on there, sf!

04-09-2015 08:06:54
David Bailey

Hi Graham Hi shana

04-09-2015 08:06:54
sfKID

Hi Graham, hi Shana. Oh yes, doctor shopping galore.

04-09-2015 08:06:58
joyofpathology

hi Graham, shana!

04-09-2015 08:07:15
Graham

Hello all!

04-09-2015 08:07:15
Steely Dan

Do you hear baseball?

04-09-2015 08:07:16
shana

Hi Everyone…Hi sfKID!

04-09-2015 08:07:32
Graham

I hear music

04-09-2015 08:07:35
sfKID

here it comes

04-09-2015 08:07:41
David Bailey

I hear Tricia πŸ™‚

04-09-2015 08:07:45
Steely Dan

good it’s on

04-09-2015 08:07:48
shana

Hi Dave! πŸ˜€

04-09-2015 08:07:50
David Bailey

REVOKE SCIENTOLOGY’S TAX EXEMPT STATUS https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/revoke-scientologys-tax-exempt-status

04-09-2015 08:08:13
sfKID

Tony Ortega HBO Getting Clear

04-09-2015 08:08:26
Steely Dan

we need 80,000 signatures by April 21st

04-09-2015 08:08:32
David Bailey

Any questions just post away and I will get them to Tricia

04-09-2015 08:08:32
Graham

Watched "Going Clear" on HBO-Go just yesterday

04-09-2015 08:08:36
sfKID

Those people are so creepy.

04-09-2015 08:10:00
Steely Dan

Going clear didn’t cover half of how creepy they are.

04-09-2015 08:10:24
sfKID

University of Colorado

04-09-2015 08:10:35
David Bailey

going there in a couple weeks
for a graduation

04-09-2015 08:10:51
Steely Dan

The Jodi Arias ninja?

04-09-2015 08:11:16
Graham

I agree. "Going Clear" was like whetting your whistle. I watched a BBC documentary with John Sweeny on youtube afterwards

04-09-2015 08:11:53
Steely Dan

That’s a good one. Read "Blown for Good" by Marc Headley

04-09-2015 08:13:01
sfKID

Peers Morgan reminds me of Michael Tracey

04-09-2015 08:13:01
Steely Dan

I really like this guy!

04-09-2015 08:13:22
Graham

I remember trying to read "Dianetics" back in the early 80’s. At that time I had no idea the ridiculousness, nor the frightening reality of scientology
I did enjoy Hubbard’s science fiction at one time though.

04-09-2015 08:14:01
sfKID

Oh yes, someone gave me a copy of it, trying to recruit me, I probably still have it.
I never read it.

04-09-2015 08:14:30
shana

BRB, gonna check my bookcase

04-09-2015 08:14:35
Graham

Thetan’s invading my body was just too much for my practical mind. LOL

04-09-2015 08:14:38
sfKID

LOL.

04-09-2015 08:14:49
David Bailey

tried back in 81 or so, just could not grasp it

04-09-2015 08:16:06
joyofpathology

LOL…Dianetics was useless! maybe reading it under Gracie Slick’s "white rabbit" & the "purple haze" influence might help!

04-09-2015 08:16:23
David Bailey

no it did not help
πŸ˜‰

04-09-2015 08:16:40
joyofpathology

πŸ˜›

04-09-2015 08:16:45
sfKID

I elected not to join the Moonies, the Scientologists, the ESTians, and I feel like I did okay without them.

04-09-2015 08:17:24
Steely Dan

Any sound people?

04-09-2015 08:17:32
sfKID

yup sound

04-09-2015 08:17:32
David Bailey

yes steely

04-09-2015 08:17:33
Graham

yes

04-09-2015 08:17:33
joyofpathology

oh yeah, Steely

04-09-2015 08:18:09
Graham

I visited a hari krishna temple once. They seem normal compared to COS

04-09-2015 08:18:19
Steely Dan

why dont’ I?

04-09-2015 08:18:32
sfKID

oh yes, I couldn’t remember the Hari Krishna name.

04-09-2015 08:18:32
joyofpathology

try a reboot

04-09-2015 08:19:17
David Bailey

I lived about 2 miles south of clearwater beach, and would pass the COS headqtrs quite a bit. The people reminded me of the movie The Wall

04-09-2015 08:19:32
sfKID

Maybe you are losing your hearing?

04-09-2015 08:19:42
joyofpathology

LOL…the opposite of the Secret…..how did Jodi miss this one??!

04-09-2015 08:19:50
David Bailey

Steely, canada?
canada has issues

04-09-2015 08:20:05
Steely Dan

still no sound
No not from Canada

04-09-2015 08:20:23
shana

BAK…found one book copyright 1987 by Corydon and L.Ron Hubbard, Jr.

04-09-2015 08:20:31
David Bailey

iheart is working, it will be on your end

04-09-2015 08:20:44
sfKID

Collector’s item Shana

04-09-2015 08:21:12
shana

Yep, but my real-life experience with them was in 1973-4.

04-09-2015 08:21:27
joyofpathology

lol….add ology to ANYTHING and it becomes a "study" of …..

04-09-2015 08:21:49
Steely Dan

Ok, just got sound back. I probably already know this stuff

04-09-2015 08:21:53
Graham

Damn mouse was after me.

04-09-2015 08:22:00
David Bailey

πŸ™‚

04-09-2015 08:22:02
Graham

welcome back Steely

04-09-2015 08:22:15
Steely Dan

πŸ™‚

04-09-2015 08:23:03
sfKID

Did you join them Shana?

04-09-2015 08:23:19
shana

Hello to the NO! πŸ˜‰

04-09-2015 08:23:28
sfKID

LOL
That’s about the same time someone gave me the book.

04-09-2015 08:24:07
David Bailey

Anybody have any questions?

04-09-2015 08:24:23
shana

I might have a paperback of Dianetics (UNread) in another book shelf.

04-09-2015 08:24:47
Graham

I want to know more about the IRS agreeing to let CoS have tax exempt status. It seemed like a sell out…the easy way out.

04-09-2015 08:24:58
joyofpathology

it was based on a $$$ scheme

04-09-2015 08:25:04
David Bailey

REVOKE SCIENTOLOGY’S TAX EXEMPT STATUS https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/revoke-scientologys-tax-exempt-status

04-09-2015 08:25:19
sfKID

Yeah, pyramid schemes
classic

04-09-2015 08:25:32
Graham

Does that link explain why the IRS capitulated?

04-09-2015 08:25:37
shana

I think I signed that petition but will check later…thanks, Dave!

04-09-2015 08:25:44
David Bailey

lol no

04-09-2015 08:26:04
Steely Dan

Thanks for posting that Dave about 80,000 more signatures needed my April 21st

04-09-2015 08:26:11
David Bailey

too funny
tricia

04-09-2015 08:26:36
Graham

Basically, it looks like (but I don’t know) that the IRS wanted to avoid lawsuits and cost themselves (us) a great deal of money (tax).

04-09-2015 08:26:50
sfKID

I think it can be argued as to the intelligence of those people

04-09-2015 08:27:04
joyofpathology

I agree, sf!

04-09-2015 08:27:07
Steely Dan

Graham they blackmailed the IRS

04-09-2015 08:27:26
joyofpathology

LOL…basic scientific principle!

04-09-2015 08:28:01
shana

Yeah, I was called Out-Ethics, LOL

04-09-2015 08:28:12
Graham

Question: L. Ron Hubbard was (arguably) mentally ill. What role does mental illness such as depression play in the people who join CoS and stay in it.

04-09-2015 08:28:41
Steely Dan

Make sure ALL of your friends know: https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/revoke-scientologys-tax-exempt-status

04-09-2015 08:28:45
David Bailey

fed’d
fwd’d

04-09-2015 08:29:35
Graham

ty

04-09-2015 08:29:57
shana

Details, yeah, about sex lives. Whatever they can get on you to use against you.

04-09-2015 08:30:16
sfKID

I wonder what they have on Greta?

04-09-2015 08:30:48
shana

sfKID, me too…or HAD on Marcia Clark.

04-09-2015 08:30:52
joyofpathology

& they LOVE to SHUN the "non-believers"

04-09-2015 08:30:55
David Bailey

brb

04-09-2015 08:31:10
Steely Dan

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/revoke-scientologys-tax-exempt-status

04-09-2015 08:31:12
Graham

Tom Cruise and Kirstie Ally are a couple of others who seem to suffer from mental illness

04-09-2015 08:31:17
sfKID

Ooooo, Marcia Clark is one of them?

04-09-2015 08:31:37
shana

It’s followers are ‘followers’ in the true sense of the word. Same as others who are cult-vulnerable.
She was.

04-09-2015 08:31:49
Graham

very true Shana

04-09-2015 08:31:52
sfKID

I agree with you Graham about Cruz and Ally

04-09-2015 08:31:53
joyofpathology

oh yeah, Graham…neither is the sharpest knife in the drawer!

04-09-2015 08:32:04
Steely Dan

Scientology appeals to narcissits. In other words 80% of of Hollywoood.

04-09-2015 08:32:37
Graham

You’re right about that

04-09-2015 08:32:47
sfKID

I disagree

04-09-2015 08:32:47
joyofpathology

and Steely, that’s exactly the "mental defect"per se that they play on!

04-09-2015 08:32:59
Steely Dan

Yep

04-09-2015 08:33:05
shana

I lived near Hollywood back in those days. Almost got bodily forced to go to the Celebrity Center.

04-09-2015 08:33:27
sfKID

Oh dear.

04-09-2015 08:33:33
Steely Dan

I asked Tricia to ask about Lisa Mcpherson and Too Gruesome’s

04-09-2015 08:34:03
shana

Very forceful group of Celeb followers back then. Probably same or worse today.

04-09-2015 08:34:35
Steely Dan

Alright Stevie!!

04-09-2015 08:35:54
shana

Steely, ty for that Q.

04-09-2015 08:35:58
joyofpathology

again, there is the pack mentality in action…..BUT there aalways seems, at least to an outside, some tangible benefit to belong, in the beginning & then, one can’t "get out" without idenity loss

04-09-2015 08:36:33
sfKID

I was never very good at joining groups

04-09-2015 08:37:09
shana

sfKID, same and in fact had an aversion to groups like this

04-09-2015 08:37:17
Steely Dan

Tricia please ask him to promote the petition. https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/revoke-scientologys-tax-exempt-status

04-09-2015 08:40:08
sfKID

Reminds me of that preacher in South Carolina who’s wife Hope disappeared for awhile.
that’s totally depressing

04-09-2015 08:43:36
Graham

she could be suffering from STOCKHOLM syndrome

04-09-2015 08:43:41
joyofpathology

has he replaced her "in the bedroom"?

04-09-2015 08:44:23
Graham

Maybe intercourse is all that matters for CoS members? <laughs manaically>

04-09-2015 08:45:33
joyofpathology

Graham: that or she’s believing that her devotion to L. Ron is/will/be her salvation! πŸ˜›

04-09-2015 08:45:58
sfKID

Just doesn’t make any sense to me.

04-09-2015 08:48:05
shana

And that is exactly why Travolta won’t be leaving.

04-09-2015 08:49:01
David Bailey

REVOKE SCIENTOLOGY’S TAX EXEMPT STATUS https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/revoke-scientologys-tax-exempt-status

04-09-2015 08:49:17
Steely Dan

Thanks Tricia!
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/revoke-scientologys-tax-exempt-status

04-09-2015 08:57:43
joyofpathology

is Tom C planning on becoming the next leader??

04-09-2015 08:58:05
sfKID

good question

04-09-2015 08:58:14
David Bailey

sorry, wrapping up

04-09-2015 08:58:48
joyofpathology

actually it was retorical πŸ˜‰

04-09-2015 08:58:59
David Bailey

Thanks everybody, arcives will be up within the hour
archives

04-09-2015 08:59:39
shana

Thank YOU, Dave!

04-09-2015 08:59:53
sfKID

Good program tonight, thanks

04-09-2015 08:59:56
joyofpathology

AWESOME!, thanks!

04-09-2015 08:59:58
shana

Thanks Tricia! Bye all.

04-09-2015 08:59:58
Graham

thanks all!

04-09-2015 09:00:00
Steely Dan

Bye bye

04-09-2015 09:00:07
Peggy Breen

Great show
Good Night Everyone

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